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Postby Pantalaimon1234 » Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:02 pm

I really don't know.It seems like there could be,but they would be VERY similar to ours.
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Postby jessia » Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:23 pm

i guess it's possible, but in the sense that anything's possible. and if there are, i don't think we'll ever be able to travel to them or that we even should ('cause bad things like... Dust leakage happen when you screw with the universe).
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Postby Pantalaimon1234 » Wed Jul 23, 2003 12:01 am

Heres my theory on black holes- They are rips in the universe that open up to differant times-sometimes even differant dimensions.Whan a star explodes it is so powerful that it acually tears a hole in the universe.If somebody was to go through one,they would be transpored to a different time or dimension.What if a black hole swallowed the earth?
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Postby tVader14 » Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:10 am

If a black whole swalloed the earth, we'd be screwed.

I don't really know if it's true or not, it's one of those things that always could be possible, but the chances are extremely thin.
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Postby Tristan » Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:13 am

You know that (proportionately), if the earth was a black hole, its mass would be compressed into the size of a marble? :shock: Now what am I supposed to do with that little bit of wisdom?

I think there are parallel universes, *possibly* accessible through worm-holes and the like. But it'll be a long time before we ever figure out how (if its possible) to get there...
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Postby Pantalaimon1234 » Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:17 am

I don't think aliens exist,don't get me wrong.
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Postby Stardust » Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:57 am

Some of this is too deep for me.

I don't think there are universes within our own like in HDM. I can't even fathom it. I don't think there's aliens either. And about the black holes, I did a report on them for my science class. I do think you would go somewhere else (?) once you got to the other side, but the pressure and gravity of the black hole would kill you. It'd suck you in like a piece of spaghetti and rip your atoms apart. Fun stuff! :D
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Postby eloquent » Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:40 am

I think there are an infinite number of paralell universes. All my personal hypothesisings/musings about the nature of the universe seem to point that way. I don't however beleive that you could travel between universes. As for black holes, they aren't really tunnels or breaks in space or anything like that, they're just a ccluster of atoms that have become so compressed that the gravitational field is large enough to 'suck' other matter into the central cluster, making it even denser and more massive (not in terms of size). If you get sucked into one, you would just end up getting squished onto the ball of the black hole's other contents.
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Postby Pantalaimon1234 » Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:45 am

Thanks for ruining our fun! :wink: I think one day some poor fellow will step into a wormhole and be transported to another dimension!
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Postby eloquent » Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:18 am

I never said it was impossible ;) . I just don't think we will ever do it (though we could).
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Postby TheLadyofShalott » Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:43 am

I read that if u get sucked into a black hole, you get stretched out into spagetti and u can feel yourself being torn apart atom by atom. If you look behind you, you see the future of the universe.

I believe in type 1 parallel universe which is the easiest to belive in. (Bob is walking down the road to his apartment.

Bob #1 realizes that he realizes that he left his groceries at the checkout at the store. He starts to head back to the store when a he is attacked by a man in a dark alley seeking vengeance on a person that looks like Bob. Bob is killed. The end.

Bob #2 goes up to his apartment to find his wife in bed w/ another man. Bob is very upset and emotionally traumatized. He leaves to go live w/ a friend for a while, and discovers that he is bisexual.

Bob #3 drops his keys and when he squats down to pick them up, he sees a wallet filled w/ $100 bills and no identification. Bob is extemely excited seeing as he had been poor for a long time, and hurries up to his apartment to tell his wife, but he has given her the time to stuff the guy she's sleeping with in a closet before greeting Bob. Bob starts a very successful buisiness with the money, but never realizes that his wife is having an affair, and it is a long time before he finds out that he's bi.

I also believe in Type 2 universes because they have scientific evidence and it's cool anyway.
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Postby Gabe » Wed Jul 23, 2003 7:58 am

Well, if I remember correctly, quantum mechanics requires the existance of multiple universes, in order to work.

(note: I promiss I won't mention uniclusters...that's fiction :wink: )
Basically there is a universe for every single different thing that could happen...an infinite number of universes obviously. Two universes could be identical except that a single photon wasn't emitted at the same angle from a star...not a noticable change. I think that if you went back in time, and you changed something (you would change something just by being there, even if nothing noticed you) you would just go off onto one of those other universe tracks like the way train tracks switch off in a switching yard, so you couldn't make yourself 'not exist' since it would be impossible to change your universe, you would just start traveling along a different universe rather than your native universe.

I think that it's possible to teleport between universes with quantum teleportation...like in Timeline. They have already succeded in teleporting a single photon, so quantum teleportation does work...
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Postby TheLadyofShalott » Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:20 am

:D that was the longest post I have written!!
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Postby Gabe » Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:28 am

Really? Hmmmm...I can remember the Force...er...Dust must have been with me when I wrote my first post...heh... :wink:
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Postby tVader14 » Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:12 pm

Congratulations, it was a very nice long post.

I think the one of the longest posts I've written is in the LOTR/HDM similarities thingy...
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Postby tVader14 » Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:49 pm

..we'd be screwed, like I said before.
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Postby lostinthought451 » Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:53 pm

I think there are parallel universes......

Me#1: sitting here typing this.

Me#2: swimming at the pool right now.

Me#3: flying in a gyropter to....uh...well, yeah.

Me#4: sleeping in.

Me#5: committing suicide.




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Postby Pantalaimon1234 » Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:58 pm

When you dream you are seeing what is happening to one of you.
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Postby lostinthought451 » Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:01 pm

hmmmm..... yeah, but my dreams are bizarre.. I once had a dream in which I was being raped(!) by a mentally retarded man in a swimming pool. My mom and momom were laughing at me.
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Postby jessia » Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:01 pm

lostinthought451 wrote:I think there are parallel universes......

Me#1: sitting here typing this.

Me#2: swimming at the pool right now.

Me#3: flying in a gyropter to....uh...well, yeah.

Me#4: sleeping in.

Me#5: committing suicide.




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have you seen the one, with jet li?
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