Rhovineth wrote:Pullman is primarily a children's writer, so he can't include actual sex, as it would not be appropriate for younger children.
Have you read The Butterfly Tattoo?
cohen wrote:Why are we all talking about a 13 year old and a 14 year old doing it?
Cookiemonster wrote:cohen wrote:Why are we all talking about a 13 year old and a 14 year old doing it?
Because somebody brought the question up for discussion...
katinka wrote:Yes, but whilst they were running around saving dead people and children they missed alot of school, so no sex ed...
hermit wrote:Personally, no I don't think they had sex. But I think they wanted to.
Jamie wrote:hermit wrote:Personally, no I don't think they had sex. But I think they wanted to.
I think if they wanted to have sex they would have, it certainly wasn't a question of finding the time.. (the boat trip back)
hermit wrote:When I say that I don't mean they wanted to have sex then, I mean that they wanted to eventually. Lyra during Marzipan was proof enough of that, but I don't think they acted on that. They are too young and at that age you don't need to have sex to satisfy that desire.
Bonbonbear wrote:
:"...you and me grown up, just preparing to do the things we want to do- and then... it all comes to end." Perhaps this phraze could be referring to that and could indicate that they would eventually like to have sex but not at this time. They might not see sex as being nessessary at this time in their relationship and this could be the quote to indicate it.
hermit wrote:Then I re-read the section in The Dunes when Will touches Pan. If you take out the word 'daemon' and the description of the daemons it sounds very different indeed!
Will put his hand on hers. A new mood had taken hold of him, and he felt resolute and peaceful. Knowing exactly what he was doing and exactly what it would mean, he moved his hand from Lyra's wrist and stroked ...
Lyra gasped. But her surprise was mixed with a pleasure so like the joy that flooded through her when she had put the fruit to his lips that she couldn't protest, because she was breathless. With a racing heart she responded in the same way...
I'm not going to spell out what that sounds like to me.
I still don't think they had penetrative sex, but there is more than one kind of sex.
PlasmaDavid wrote:Hell I wonder if they even know about stuff that far... Will probably, cos of school and all, but Lyra was always out and about just mucking about in the city, consumed in childish games etc, and she never had parents with her to have a quite chat with....
Anyway, I say no to the whole idea
hermit wrote:Bonbonbear wrote:
:"...you and me grown up, just preparing to do the things we want to do- and then... it all comes to end." Perhaps this phraze could be referring to that and could indicate that they would eventually like to have sex but not at this time. They might not see sex as being nessessary at this time in their relationship and this could be the quote to indicate it.
Well, I wouldn't say that quote was about that. I'm sure Will and Lyra planned more things than just having sex.
Anyway, I was talking to Rosie about this the other day. She pointed out that a lot of the time Pan takes on very phallic forms, and then I pointed out that Kirjava eventually settled as a cat, which is also known as a....Well, you know what.
Then I re-read the section in The Dunes when Will touches Pan. If you take out the word 'daemon' and the description of the daemons it sounds very different indeed!
Will put his hand on hers. A new mood had taken hold of him, and he felt resolute and peaceful. Knowing exactly what he was doing and exactly what it would mean, he moved his hand from Lyra's wrist and stroked ...
Lyra gasped. But her surprise was mixed with a pleasure so like the joy that flooded through her when she had put the fruit to his lips that she couldn't protest, because she was breathless. With a racing heart she responded in the same way...
I'm not going to spell out what that sounds like to me.
I still don't think they had penetrative sex, but there is more than one kind of sex.
sageadvice wrote:Is it just me, or does it seems pretty apparent that by calling Lyra, Eve, PP wrote himself into a corner, in which she had to be the mother of humanity… That she had to give birth to hope... That something cataclysmic needed to happen to her.
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