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Did Mary Malone actually play the serpent?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:56 pm
by muddmania
When reading TAS i thought that Mary Malone was going to tempt Lyra in some way (the computer told her she was to play the serpent), but i never actualy figured out when she did. Was it when she told Lyra of her first love?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:30 pm
by eloquent
Yup, pretty much.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:55 pm
by Kahlan
when she told lyra about her first love she tempted lyra to want to have a love to..
mary triggered some feelings lyra never thought she had..
PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:55 pm
by muddmania
Ah ha. Sorry got a bit confused, but how can that be bad? and did Lyra make the right choice?
Still confused
PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:33 pm
by Max
It opened up a new realm of consciousness - she describes it as a house - in the same way that eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge did for Adam and Eve, as they became aware of morality and independent thought etcetera.
That new consciousness was one of love so profound that they were completely enshrined in incandescent sraf when Mary saw them through the Amber Spyglass.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:28 pm
by Tomsy
Ah ha. Sorry got a bit confused, but how can that be bad?
The church think that humans should have no free will of their own. They should not have 'original sin' (Dust), and therefore not be humanly conscious. Since Lyra's action preserved/created Dust, the church saw it as bad.
and did Lyra make the right choice?
It depends what you think the right choice is.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:59 pm
by muddmania
i get it now! Man i feel dum
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:53 am
by i<3will
yes, you're right about the first kiss thing. This story "tempted" Lyra to see if Will was her true love, and that is how they ended up in that big mess.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:13 am
by Botanic 2004
i get it now! Man i feel dum
'dumb' (sorry eniamrahc for taking your role, temporarily.)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:44 am
by Naomi Silvertongue
Ouch man, how did you spell that without the d on the end?
Way to go, Bots! You beat Rosie, though now she may beat you.
Quick, run and hide. We'll let you know when its safe to come back. 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:24 am
by eloquent
Ouch man, how did you spell that without the d on the end?
It's a b
.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:31 am
by Naomi Silvertongue
Ah man now I feel stupid. *hides in shame and Khisanth lowers tail between his leg*
Though, you guys new what I meant. My upmost apologies to you muddmania.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:33 am
by eloquent
It's just ironic when the corrector becomes the correctee.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:35 am
by Naomi Silvertongue
I love you!!
You 'ought to write a book, Eloquent.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:37 am
by eloquent
Well I...er... perhaps when I've got all my coursework out of the way
.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:40 am
by Naomi Silvertongue
But of course.
Work before fun time.
But then you must settle down on some remote beach.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:39 pm
by Violet^Evans
Ciao! I'm new and when I saw this topic I couldn't help but register...sorry for my bad spelling&co...English is not my first language, I'm Italian...
I think that Mary Malone actually played the snake, absolutely, and the choose of Lyra is just the same as Eva's: RIGHT!
I mean, why shouldn't she took the apple? Temptation is 100% human...and Lyra just made the right choice.
Temptation is not only human...it's the reason why all that is life...is living...it's a bit complicated, but I think it's like that. It's just part of us...
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:20 am
by Naomi Silvertongue
Free Will!!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:26 am
by Enitharmon
Ciao! I'm new and when I saw this topic I couldn't help but register...sorry for my bad spelling&co...English is not my first language, I'm Italian...
Buona sera signorina! Piacere di conscerla. Ma perché, se tu sei italiana, ti chiami Violet Evans? Il tuo nome è inglese, si?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:31 am
by Naomi Silvertongue
Whoa!!! I take french and not that language!!