The Republic of Heaven

Re-reading TSK, I was struck how bird-Pan flew through a window and back again to Lyra.

How the ferkin' 'eck is this possible? He may have been an arm length from Lyra, but he'd been translated to another world. As I remember, the separation rite with witch daemons involved passing across a similar void.

Melancholy Man wrote:How the ferkin' 'eck is this possible?

Anything is possible for a writer!

You see what they did here, right, was get this big shedload of mirrors and one of them smoke projector-type machinations set up just outside the window and...

Enitharmon wrote:

Melancholy Man wrote:How the ferkin' 'eck is this possible?

Anything is possible for a writer!

PP is *not* JKR!

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

It's never specified what the witch rite specifically involved. Also, this would mean that whenever Lyra went through a world, she and Pan would have to go through at exactly the same time. The only time I really considered this to be a problem would have been that the bond could have been severed by the edge.

Melancholy Man wrote:Re-reading TSK, I was struck how bird-Pan flew through a window and back again to Lyra.

How the ferkin' 'eck is this possible? He may have been an arm length from Lyra, but he'd been translated to another world. As I remember, the separation rite with witch dæmons involved passing across a similar void.

I suppose if the window had then been closed, then they would have been separated. The window stayed open, though, which meant the bond could remain intact.

We need Raeth to draw a picture..
It depends on the nature of the (physical) energy bond between daemon and owner. If it's all elastic-like, it could go through a window and er, bend around the edge. If it's fairly straight, once the daemon moved too far to the side, or round the back of the window, it'd be chopped.

Ceres Wunderkind wrote:"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

Does PP watch us?

<Stabs PP up arras>

Or is it the puppet-master?

<Cuts Pan's strings>

Dante wrote:

It's never specified what the witch rite specifically involved

There was a non-specific reference to the witch having to pass across a wasteland, which I took to be the related to the Styx.

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ wrote:

I suppose if the window had then been closed, then they would have been separated. The window stayed open, though, which meant the bond could remain intact

We need Gabe now, but I don't see corresponding points on either side of a Window as being the same in space and time. If it were, daemon separation wouldn't be an issue. They are, instead, both infinitely close and infinitely far - this should create as many problems with the human/daemon bond as with dividing a real number by zero.

Nah blood would not affect how the laws of physics apply to one.

Hmmm this is a bit of a conundrum...

Wasn't there a line in NL about all the worlds being a shadow's thickness away from each other, but inpercievible?

didn't he also do it as a bee when lyra an pan were shown the window by will?

Danny Barefoot wrote:Wasn't there a line in NL about all the worlds being a shadow's thickness away from each other, but inpercievible?

That implie, in my mind, that each point in the *same* world are infinitely small distances from all other points. Therefore, there'd be no problem with daemons straying too far from their humans.

Distance could only be infinitely small between worlds, rather than in a single world. There isn't gravity in space. And passing through Windows ought to kill someone in a dozen ways (unfamiliar germs, slightly different laws of physics and atomic energy levels etc) which I suppose mut be guarded against.

wonder what would happen if a daemon crossed a window and they closed it with each(daemon and owner)on diff sides. i would imagin that they would become seperated like the guilitine

HDM Head 24-7 wrote:wonder what would happen if a dæmon crossed a window and they closed it with each(dæmon and owner)on diff sides. i would imagin that they would become seperated like the guilitine

I thought of that before, but I'm sure it's like Naomi said, that the owner and daemon would just die automatically, either from shock or the 'connection' fizzling out.

Naomi Silvertongue wrote:Ha connection, fizziling out!!

Pan dear, You're breaking up!!
What was that??
Can you hear me now??
Perfect!!

Pffff!

*imagines pan in ermine form wearing chunky headphones and holding a ww2 style mic*