The Republic of Heaven

I need to re read the golden compass in the next month before the movie comes out but i seem to have missed major glishes in peoples daemons. I dont thing i was reading very carefully. so can you point out some things that you noticed that other people may have missed. OR that every one noticed that i may have missed

Okay. Go for it!

bee wrote:Okay. Go for it!

I think he/she wanted other people to point out things...

I'm not entirely sure which things though... so... yeah
What exactly did you want to know Stelmaria7?

I'll point out something. I just started re-reading Golden Compass last night and noticed in Chapter 2: The Idea of North that there is a sentence where it talks about the scholars chasing her away from the fruit trees in the garden. Does anyone else think this could be a subtle allusion to Eve?

Almost definitely. When the scholars chase her away from the tree, it makes sense that PP is alluding to the Eden myth because it is surrounded by mentions of Dust and dæmon settling and Church lectures, and might be one of the many examples of Lyra jumping the gun on one goal or another. She's a very impatient girl you know.

Apologies for gravedigging, but did the books ever make clear what would happen to Will's daemon when passing back into his own world? I've not got my copy of the Amber Spyglass to check.

MojaveByrd wrote:I believe that Will and Mary would be able to see their own dæmons but no one else would be able to. I don't remember if it was Xaphania or Seraphina that told them that.

I received the impression that Will's daemon would remain material. But since he is a "witch" in many ways, according to Serafina, he would be able to separate from her and go to school and do other normal things without a cat tagging along. Happily, Kirjava doesn't have conspicuous form anyway.

I think that Serafina told Mary she would be able to see her daemon if she looked for him the right way, but he didn't actually materialize.

moyeongsu wrote:I'll point out something. I just started re-reading Golden Compass last night and noticed in Chapter 2: The Idea of North that there is a sentence where it talks about the scholars chasing her away from the fruit trees in the garden. Does anyone else think this could be a subtle allusion to Eve?

That's a good one! I never thought of that!

I believe that Will and Mary would be able to see their own dæmons but no one else would be able to. I don't remember if it was Xaphania or Seraphina that told them that.

Everyone could see will`s daemon,but mary`s not.

i dont know about this but i hear there is a major glitch with Ma Costa's dæmon. at some point he changes from a hawk to a dog or so im told by several people. im rereading nl now so ill check.

i dont know about this but i hear there is a major glitch with Ma Costa's dæmon. at some point he changes from a hawk to a dog or so im told by several people. im rereading nl now so ill check.

If it is true, the newer versions may not have that mistake, if you have them.

i dont know about this but i hear there is a major glitch with Ma Costa's dæmon. at some point he changes from a hawk to a dog or so im told by several people. im rereading nl now so ill check.

Yeah,i`ve noticed it,but i have a newer version so it is not repaired.i have reread NL week ago so i remember

Her daemon doesn't change in the book but he does in the movie. He's a hawk and then when they find out about Bill he changes. I don't remember what form thought mabe thats were your geting it from? that glitch isn't in the book I read.

About Mary and Will's daemons, they take form and only Mary and Will can see them unless they show people how to. Mary's is an exception thought because she has to squint and per at him sideways to see him. Does Mary's daemon have a name?

Her dæmon doesn't change in the book but he does in the movie. He's a hawk and then when they find out about Bill he changes. I don't remember what form thought mabe thats were your geting it from? that glitch isn't in the book I read.

About Mary and Will's dæmons, they take form and only Mary and Will can see them unless they show people how to. Mary's is an exception thought because she has to squint and per at him sideways to see him. Does Mary's dæmon have a name?

Probably not,coz it isnt material but she could name it.

I noticed 2 new things on my rereading of TSK today. First of all, did anyone else notice imagery when Will and Lyra go to Sir Charles Latrom's house? It was like bee imagery, they talked about the house being the color of honey and the hallway smelling of beeswax and flowers.

Also, I just realized that they mentioned the person who created the many world's theory in our world. His name was Everett.

That must be this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Everett

does anybody know if the golden monkey has a name?? I think it isn't mentioned but maybe someone read it somewhere.. ??

I really want Lyra and Will to meet again, that's why I think about any option there is for them to see each other..

one of them: hasn't Serafina Pekkala mentioned that W & L became witches in some ways, so why can't they pick up a broom (sorry I'm german so I don't know what "Wolkenkiefernzweig" is called in english) and fly through one of the windows Ruta Skadi used ?? they aren't man made and I think Serafina said something like "whitche know other ways to travel through worlds" ..

The monkey has no name but in the radio version is called Ozymandus but Pullman didn't like it.

It is the angels not the witches who knew how to travel between worlds, with the power of imagination.

All the windows were going to be closed up by the angels, even the natural ones.

Hope that helps